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good morning. i'm chris jansing live from the campus of at the university of arizona in tucson and this is "jansing & co." developing right now we're watching as members of congress come together to honor the members of the shooting rampage in arizona that critically injured one of their own. a somber tone in the house. house speaker john boehner introducing a resolution paying tribute to those victims and he and nancy pelosi delivered remarks. >> we're americans and we'll make it through this difficult period. we will have the last word. >> may this resolution remind us of the urgent need to uphold our democratic values, to treat one another with courtesy and with respect and to act as congresswoman giffords has always done and always do. in a manner that reflects the best of american leadership.

>> it is appropriate, therefore, that the wrenching, shocking, senseless violence of that day compel us to reflect on our own responsibility to temper our words. and that outpouring of support still going on as we see a live picture now of the house floor. colleagues and friends of congresswoman giffords honoring her and all the victims of the mass shooting that took place and shook the nation last saturday. now, later today president obaa will be right where i am here on the university of arizona campus. he will meet with families and speak at the memorial. people were lining up already behind me last night. thousands expected to attend. the president will focus on the victims and on bringing the country together. meantime, jared loughner, the accused shooter, his parents are speaking out for the first time and they released a statement. let me quote it. "there are no words that could

possibly express how we feel. we wish that there were so that we could make you feel better. we don't understand why this happened. it may not make any difference, but we wish that we could change the heinous events of saturday. we care very deeply about the victims and their families. we are so very sorry for their loss." yesterday i caught up with one of loughner's neighbors. what would you want people to know about the loughners? about your neighbors? >> have compassion for them. try to put yourselves in their position. how would you want people to treat you if you were in their position. i try to do that. and it's pretty hard to do. >> very emotional here in arizona in tucson on the campus. emotional in washington today on the floor of the house. nbc's luke russert is on capitol hill for us.

luke, set the scene, will you? >> it's a very melancholy and somber and solemn day here on capitol hill. a real sense of grief pertaining from all members from both sides of the aisle. a lot of emotion is running through the halls here of the capitol. listen to speaker boehner on the house floor a short time ago. >> our hearts are broken, but our spirit is not. this is a time for the house to lock arms in prayer for the fallen and the wounded and a resolve to carry on a dialogue of democracy. >> in this hour of anguish, we seek renewed commitment to hope, to civility, to peace among the american people. we share the stories of the heroes of the tragedy and mourn those who perished. let their actions and their memories be a blessing to our country.

>> in unity and grief is really what we're seeing up here, chris. i have to share an amazing story. when i was walking over to do this live shot, i walked through the canon tunnel and i saw representative allison schwartz. virginia fox, a full-blooded conservative and they were hugging each other and just sharing that unity that everyone wants to put forward today, but also really feeling it. you can see a genuine sense of not only bipartisanship, but also love and compassion in this terrible, terrible, terrible tragedy, in wake of this terrible tragedy that has happened in arizona. that will really be the message going forward here in washington. and you also have to think about how personal this is for so many members. the one thing that i've been told over and over and over again is so many felt it could have been me. so many staffers felt it could have been me. they really resonate with what happened in arizona and so many of them would like to just take comfort in the fact that they're finally home here in d.c. with their family who understands

this better than anybody else, chris. >> yeah. i got to tell you, luke, over the last couple days i thought on any given saturday or sunday when they're home in their di distric districts, how many hundreds members of congress and staff are out at events just like that, luke. i appreciate you sharing that story, luke. thank you so much. >> be well. tonight president obama will try to make sense of what is, of course, a senseless act. what happened here in tucson. the type of defining moment we've seen from presidents in the past when tragedy strikes. richard lui is here with more on that. richard? >> hi, chris. just as previous presidents have done, president obama tonight will try to provide strength and hope. that going back to september 11th, 2001, we can look to president bush who came to the cameras to speak to americans to do just that. >> today our fellow citizens, our way of life, our very freedom came under attack.

>> we remember that moment. his reassurance and strength, though, was most remembered during his impromptu speech days later. >> i hear you, the rest of the world hears you and the peop people -- and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon. >> and the president bush there hugging one of the rescue workers. he had rallied the sad, yet resolute u.s. public. he later drew praise for his leadership on national security after all that had happened. similarly, president bill clinton brought the country together to an emotional time after the oklahoma city bombing. >> when there is talk of hatred, let us stand up and talk against it. when there is talk of violence, let us stand up and talk against it. in the face of death, let us

honor life. >> and many believe that was a defining moment that tapped into the nation at that time and a pivot point that helped president clinton, like bush, win re-election in 1996. and then ten years before, there's president reagan who faced the "challenger" shuttle disaster. >> we will never forget them nor the last time we saw them this morning. as they prepared for their journey and waved good-bye. to touch the face of god. >> now, these and president obama's previous speeches are any indication, chris, we can expect him to honor the injured and fallen and the heroes and share stories of personal conversations he had with families of the victims and also most likely talk of strength from the bible as he and other presidents have done during difficult times when the nation reaches for understanding,

chris? >> thank you so much, richard. douglas brinkley is with us now, best-selling author and presidential historian. listen to those words, again, gave me chills. i had read some of those speeches over this morning. give us some perspective about what it means, what the president is going to do tonight here at the university of arizona. >> well, the stakes have gotten quite high for president obama. he's taking this speech very seriously. we forget sometimes that our president by nature is a writer. he made most of his money in life as a best-selling author and he's going to put his personal obama touch on this. this isn't a speech by his staff at the white house that he will be reading off a teleprompter. it is an important and historic moment for him. just like you saw ronald reagan with the help of peggy newman take the day with the challenger and heal the nation and you saw bill clinton do that at the oklahoma city speech.

that's what this is. he will be remembered in history for this speech at tucson and i think he's going to draw some from oklahoma city and clinton, but from obama's own heart and from perhaps martin luther king's letter. he will deal about what our dark forces in this country, as well as simply mourning the dead and providing us some hope. >> and doing this, it is a key part of leadership. president obama can set a tone that the country can follow coming out of this tragedy. he's had to do it before. after the ft. hood shootings. he traveled when lives were lost in the west virginia mine collapse and you'd like to think of this as a nonpolitical event. we are told that his speech will be nonpolitical. but, with history as a guide, dougl douglas, can this have political implications for the president? >> it's going to have political implications whether he wants it or not. it may work as the first book end of a speech. this one followed on january 25th by the state of the union.

the last year, when president obama came in, he couldn't have the big moments. he was working to deal with the failing economy and both wars and then we had a brutal political season. this is the first opportunity we're getting what i would call the morality of barack obama. you're going to see more of his spiritual side in a way that we haven't really, he hasn't really done. so, i think it's going it be a very moving and memorable moment here because the president is taking this particular address to heart as a way to look at how do we confront this heightened rhetoric in the country, the kind of, the national food fight that's going on. how do we bring the decibel language down and learn to work together as americans. the whole community of tucson is excited for him. people want a whole lot of presidential hugs. the whole nation is going to be watching and i think it's a central moment in his first term. >> douglas brinkley, it's always good to see you. thank you so much. >> thank you, appreciate it.

msnbc will teles have tonight's memorial service in tucson without commercial interruption at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. a nasty storm moves into the northeast after paralyzing the south. the powerful snowstorm has been snarling air traffic and road and rail travel up and dosx doa east coast. two feet of snow in areas that have already been leery. connecticut the hardest hit by the storm and that's where we find nbc jeff rossen, once again, out in the snow. how are things going there, jeff? >> my home away from home and a snow bank. chris, good to see you. you mention two feet of no and some areas of connecticut, according to the national weather service have already hit that amount and it is still snowing, as you can see. i'm not even standing in a snow bank. this is actually what has fallen so far. it is knee deep and it is hard to get anywhere and i'm going to

walk across a roadway here. this is the main road right in the middle of the state capital and you can stand on it and not get hit by a car for an hour because it's basically a ghost town out here. the governor, while not declaring an emergency did tell people, by the way, that's impressive. you know how hard that is to walk without falling? the governor did not declare a state of emergency. he told state employees to stay home today and closed all the offices. also in a news conference this morning, chris, made a point of telling local business leaders, keep your employees home, too, to keep people off the roads. it is dangerous. it is treacherous. evidenced by the fact that they have responded to 776 incidents on the roads so far today. that includes fender benders, minor accidents. luckily we have no word of any major accidents, but a lot of it, most of it is stuck vehicles. as we've stood here on this corner, we have claimed this corner for msnbc, been here all

morning. we have seen 4 by 4s. cars, suvs slide down the hill and get stuck and regular cars have gotten stuck and good samaritans come out with their shovels and digging them out. as often as they come through here and plow, chris, it is so bad and the snow falling at such an incredible rate, they just can't keep up here. back to you. my apologies, going to bill karins. i forgot, we actually have to find out how long this will last. bill karins? >> not much longer for you, jeff. you have only been standing in the snow storm for 12 hours. it is cold and windy. totals at i-95. we did pick up nine inches inch new york and still adding it up in providence and boston who are both at 9 and where jeff was in hartford around 16. much of that area is 20 to 26 inches. still snowing where jeff is. you're on the tail end of it. heavy snow from new hampshire to maine and light snow will

continue in areas throughout the afternoon in areas like boston. as far as the forecast, this snow isn't going anywhere. all the snow is headed for new england from new york city to philly and all the way up to the northeast. there's no melting in sight over the next five days. what's on the ground is going to stay there. i think this is the incredible map. this winter has been so cold and so snowy and we're now looking at 71% of the lower 48. it's covered by snow. the areas of white is the little bit of no and the darker the coloring is the heavier the snow and goes all the way down to southern georgia and florida at the current time is the only state in the lower 48 that does not have any reported snow. amazing winter so far. we'll update on the storm as we go throughout the rest of the afternoon here on msnbc. you're watching "jansing & co." questions about retirement? i talk to their retirement account specialists. bonds? grab the phone. fixed-income specialist. td ameritrade knows investors sometimes need real, live help. not just one broker... a whole team there to help...

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suspected shooter jared loughner is already facing federal charges with more to come at the state level. on both fronts, prosecutors are preparing for the likelihood they'll be arguing against an insanity defense. star jones a district attorney's office. i understand the lawyer has tried the insanity defense in less than 1% of criminal cases and only works about a quarter of the time. why is it so difficult to win one of these cases? >> well, especially in the federal court. since the president reagan was shot by john hingry and hinckley really had a successful insanity defense, the federal courts have really raised the bar. you no longer have the prosecution bearing the burden, the defense bears the burden by clear and convincing evidence that the defendant suffered from a mental disease or defect that was so severe that he was unable to tell right from wrong. and in this particular case, there's so much evidence that

counters that argument. it would be probably one of the least likely defenses to be successful. quite frankly, i think the defense attorney is going to try to move the argument from weather or not he's guilty or innocent to whether or not she can save his life versus giving him the death penalty. >> as you know, star, we just learned this morning that all of the federal judges in the state have taken themselves off the case. are they going to need to change the venvenue? what do you see happening? >> initially it was the tucson judges that removed themselves but no question since one of the victims, judge roll was, in fact, the chief federal trial judge in arizona, that the argument that there's no judge in arizona who could be fair and impartial, although probably not true, is one that would open up appeal issue after appeal issue.

so, i think a change of venue motion would be the one of the very first things the defense attorneys would try. let me just say this also, chris. this defense attorney is really not one of these shout, scream, looking to be a superstar. she is really someone who has a history of working very hard for her clients. she is a negotiator. and i think that you're going to see really more about negotiating between how to show some sort of diminished capacity so that this young man is not someone who will end up executed for these alleged crimes. because this case, prosecutors would say, is a groundball for winning. >> so, this case is also raising questions about all these threats against congress. i don't know that any politician i interviewed over the past four days haven't told me they faced some kind of threat. these days if you're in line at the airport and you say bomb,

they'll take you in. but threats to lawmakers rarely lead to charges. as i understand it, almost only when there's evidence that the person involved really planned to carry out the threat. should laws be stricter? do you think laws will be changed? >> i think we'd have to actually remove some of the freedoms that we so rightfully enjoy. people have the right to freedom of expression and freedom of speech and sometimes people should think before they use it. there's a whole lot of viteral, as we've discussed many, many times in the public forum. but most times they're not serious. but in the situation like this, you clearly see that the ravings of a lunatic can turn into the actions of a mad man. this mad man might be sane for legal reasons, but crazy for moral reasons. you know, the big difference in crazy and insanity in layman's terms, crazy we want to stay away from you and insane means

you have to absolutely be kept away from us. >> star jones, former prosecutor, thanks so much, star, good to see you. >> you, also. this was the scene in port-au-prince one year ago today. just hours after that devastating earthquake. today, not much has changed. we'll take a look at haiti today and why, despite an outpouring of global support, the recovery has been such slow going. to save me a boatload of money on my mortgage, that would be awesome! sure. like that will happen. don't just think about it. spend 10 minutes at lending tree and save up to $272 a month. until the combination of three good probiotics

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we'll go back for more coverage with chris jansing from tucson in just a few moments. meanwhi meanwhile, one year ago an earthquake struck haiti's port-au-prince. former president clinton is in haiti to commemorate the anniversary and says progress has been made, but much more needs to be done. >> we have to build the capacity

of the government and the economic wellness system. >> jeff johnson msnbc and grio.com contributor and just back from haiti and joins me now with more on the effort to rebuild haiti's education system. jeff, you heard what we were saying as well as what former president clinton was saying. did you see progress? >> it's difficult to see progress and people are very frustrated because there was nothing you see on the surface. so little infrastructure prior to the earthquake that great strides that were made and infrastructure development can't be seen really by the naked eye. >> now, education and cholera, just some of the headlines we have been watching recently. what are some of the big challenges that you saw? >> well, i think the first big challenge is a free and fair election. i think most haitian people are looking for an election that takes place that provides the kind of leadership that the global community can have faith in, that can use effectively and

be held accountable for the billions of dollars that are coming in for rebuilding and manage the process. >> jeff, those are no doubt, intertwined. the two items that we brought up, the headlines there of cholera and education with the governmental challenge that they have. of the things you saw, what gave you hope? >> well, i mean, i think that we saw a school called corvell which is a small school in the port-au-prince neighborhood of belair where a few people came together and put their own money together and had haitian americans from the united states raising money. young people in this community never thought would happen. while it's a small example of something that's happening, it's definitely a model to help the over 500,000 young people in haiti who have never seen the inside of a school. >> all right, jeff johnson, just back from haiti, thank you very much for telling us what you saw there. of course, you can read more from what jeff saw and what he is reporting in grio.com.

haiti one year later. now back to chris in arizona. hey, chris. >> richard, thank you. we are live on the campus of the university of arizona in tucson. president obama, first lady michelle obama will be at this campus tonight for the service honoring the tucson shooting victims. msnbc will bring you this live tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. we're also watching the floor of the house in our nation's capital where members are offering tribute after tribute to congresswoman gabrielle giffords and members on the other side of the screen, their staff signing official tribute books to congresswoman giffords. when we come back, jared loughner with all the warning signs kicked out of college, arrested, internet rants. why did he seem to go unnoticed until something this tragic happened? harry sheer will join me live on how america cares for its mentally ill. but, first, the second major winter storm hitting up and down the east coast, snow on the ground in 49 states.

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keep your home smelling like home. more controversy this morning with sarah palin in the middle of it. she just released an eight-minute internet video on the tragedy in tucson. she has been reflecting on what happened and she placed blame on the shooter, but she's been criticized for using the map that showed crosshairs over congressional districts targeted in november elections. >> especially within hours a tragedy unfolding. journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to insight the very hatred that they purport to condemn. that is reprehensible. >> i want to bring in jonathan capehart, msnbc contributor. and i saw that you wrote about this.

she says blood libel insights hatred. strong language. what do you think about this video, jonathan? >> well, overall, i think the video was a nearly eight-minute defense of her actions and of herself. in my piece, i write that she says, don't blame me, blame the shooter. then blame the media. i was exercising my right to decent and any criticism of me doing that is stifling free speech. you know, times like this call for statesmen. it is a time that calls for people to come together and to try to, you know, move everyone along and what sarah palin has done is just continuing her defensive crouch. you know, one other thing, chris, she used the phrasing blood libel and, you know, all over twitter and all over journ

l. circles and you go on the web and instantly people picked up on that because that phrasing, that phrase is incredibly antisumettic and no one is calling sarah palin an antisemite but for her to use that language a lot of people think she has dug a deep hole even deeper. she should have been more careful. >> let me just play another c p clip. >> acts of monstrous criminalities stand on their own. they begin and end with the criminals who commit them, not collectively with all the citizens of a state. not with those who listen to talk radio. not with maps of swing districts used by both sides of the aisle. >> you know, the argument is being made right now as we look ahead already to 2012 and possible candidates that they will be judged on the way they respond to the most obvious

tonight here with president obama, but do you think people like sarah palin and others that this will be remembered. this video will be looked at by voters? >> yes, it will be. whether she gets into the race or not for 2012, if she does, people will look at that and critique that for how did sarah palin respond during a national crisis, if you will. at a time when people were looking for healing and for solace. did she provide words that aided in that healing or did she provide words that only served to inflame the conversation? i think sarah palin missed an incredible opportunity to go from being someone who hides behind twitter and facebook to reach people to being an actual statesperson who deserves to be talked about as someone who can possibly sit in the oval office. you know, that's what she wants people to think, but a

performance like the one in that video today doesn't, it doesn't strike the right tone. they weren't the right words. she did not follow the advice from conservative commentator, which i thought was excellent. if she wanted someone to follow, you know, the speech that speaker boehner gave on the floor today, right tone, right words, a statesman. >> yeah. i thought it was very moving, too. jonathan, thank you. >> thanks. hindsight is always 20/20, but, clearly, jared loughner was a troubled young man. he was told he couldn't return to college without a mental evaluation. he had been arrested on drug charges. on saturday investigators say he had taken a black bag out of a car trunk and when his father approached him, he ran away. the tragedy has opened up the discussion of mental illness in america and individuals with problems mirroring those of jared loughner are getting the help they need. perry sheer has a column in "huffington post" discussing

mental health and he joins us now. harry, let me start off reading a little piece you wrote. you say, "this moment is, of course, perhaps the worst possible moment to remind ourselves of oun unfulfilled pledge to the mentally ill. the least we can do is acknowledge, and all the fun finger-pointer reps, libs, cons have failed mentally disturbed among us and the bill continues." how do we get a grip on mentally ill in our country? >> you are asking me to prescribe and i am bareea -- ea my precomedy life i worked at the california legislature and one of my roles was to help a constituent whose relative had been improperly committed to a state mental hospital. i got acquaint would the cyed wm

we used to have, which are state mental hospitals. very often they're not pleasant or caring places to be. they were derided in popular culture as snake pits and so at a certain point in times under the leadership of governor reagan and the california legislature we made a deal. we said we'd close these hospitals and they would be replaced with community mental health clinics that would be closer to where people lived. they would be better able to integrate them because a lot of people with mental illness are, we hear these phrases all the time, isolated and loners. well, we closed the hospitals and we didn't set up the community mental health clinics and what i can say, what i feel confident in saying, we reneged on our deal. if you knew somebody like this young man, would you know whom to choline? we have different places and different functions. but we didn't replace a system with another system.

and we're failing those among us and it's like one in five, i think, at some point in our life have a problem with mental illness. and if we don't pay for a system to deal with that on a community basis, we're paying, we're seeing the price we pay right now. >> you know, harry, yesterday i spent some time with the loughner's next door neighbor and he felt very sorry for the parents. he felt as if they knew that jared was troubled and, you know, really didn't know what to do about it and oftentimes people don't rise the depth of the problem. he said what a lot of people have told me since i have come here. that they hope things will change. do you have some confidence that this is a problem that will be looked at now that things might change? >> well, you read my little quote, which is that this is the worst time possible to be approaching this matter because we don't have the money, we're told. if we wanted to set up a serious system nationwide of community

mental health clinics. of course, we could stop a couple wars and that would free up the money, but that's not going to happen. am i hopeful? i'm hopeful we'll have these discussions, but then we'll move on and i don't see anybody in the political arena yet standing up and saying, we have an unpaid bill that keeps coming due to take responsibility to provide us a system of services that people can turn to in the time of need. and we haven't done that yet. >> well, harry, i thought it was a very thought provoking column and i thank you for coming on with us. >> thank you, chris. 30-year-old gabe zimmerman w is among the victims being remembered today. he was engaged to be married. he had actually organized saturday's event as a staffer for congresswoman giffords. ron barber, the district director is still hospitalized, although we're told he is doing well and pam simon the outreach

coordinator. she was also wounded. moments ago i had the opportunity to talk to congresswoman giffords' community director. >> ron is doing great, pam is doing great. we are hoping and praying that they will be released soon. you know, coming to terms with a tragedy like this is certainly going to take some time, but we're coming together and our office is coming together and as you can see what is going on here, our community is coming together. [ boy ] with box tops for education, you can make a big difference. did you know that by march 1st, more than $50 million can be earned by schools just like yours! buy participating products now, to earn your school's share of more than $50 million!

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if jackson gave himself the final dose of propofol. it did little to support the defense positive claim that dr. conrad murray is not the man responsible for jackson's death. star jones is back with us with more on this case. so, star, let's start with that. the coroner said even if they were to have proven that jackson gave himself that final dose, he would still consider this a homicide. >> absolutely. there's no question that dr. murray's alleged acts and omissions were so substandard that that's what led to the death of michael jackson. so, that's why the manslaughter charge is going to go forward. additionally, he was stripped of his license yesterday in california. so, his medical license has been taken from him and he has 24 hours to notify the other two jurisdictions. >> okay, now, his campus said that's the nuclear option of the "l.a. times" meaning that's the end of his career. >> well, i would venture to guess that he had been having a hard time getting a bunch of

patients right now pending this case. however, with him being licensed in texas and nevada, i would venture to guess, they will probably remove his license at this point, pending the outcome of the case. this is not going to be easy for him to raise money to defend himself. not at all. he's looking at a very, very tough time. >> with the revelations we've learned the last couple days, what does this mean for the case as they now go to court? >> i've been trying to wrack my brain, to come up with a defense. i think the biggest argument that you are in the wrong forum. this is a criminal matter if anything. dr. murray always maintained that he did not do anything wrong. he did not give a fatal dose of propofol and that the propofol that he administered was in his normal course of treatment and it was not enough that should have killed him. but i think you know i have -- >> i was about to say, star, you have a lot of thoughts on the

drug propofol. questions about how it got into the room, of course, and the way it was also used with michael jackson, allegedly. but you, yourself, you have not told anybody this before, but you've also been administered propofol. >> but i was on an operating table, richard, having mike heart taken out of my body. i had open heart surgery earlier this year and when i read the operative report subsequent two weeks after i was already home i saw there that the drug they used to put me to sleep was propofol. now, remember, this is open-heart surgery. they have to saw open your chest, repair the damage and put it back in your body and then wake you up and that's all they need to put me to sleep to do all of that, administering it in michael jackson's home, i really have to tell you is about as outrageouses as i've ever heard. i can't tell you the number of people who were in the operating theater to do that with me. >> i was just thinking that. star jones, thank you very much.

very interesting case as we watch that go forward. thank you. >> absolutely. president obama and others remember the victims in tucson tonight. chris has been there since the shooting happened and has spoken to some of the heroes to have come out of this tragedy. we'll bring you those two voices, next. >> those two men are my heroes because i believe they saved my life. i believe i was next to be shot. ♪ ♪ work, work all week long ♪ punching that clock from dusk till dawn ♪ ♪ countin' the days till friday night ♪ ♪ that's when all the conditions are right for a good time ♪ [ male announcer ] advanced technology that helps provide cleaner air, cleaner water, and helps make all of us more energy efficient is something the whole world can get in step with. [ static ] ♪ i need a good time [ male announcer ] ecomagination from ge. it's technology that makes the world work. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] we touch a lot of things

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breaking news, we have another development as we try to piece together exactly what happened at this tragic shooting saturday in tucson. the associated press reporting that a police officer stopped the alleged shooter, jared loughner for running a red light on that morning. and we know later in the morning, his father told investigators he took a black bag out of the trunk of the car and took off on foot when his father approached him to

question him and that he eventually took a cab to that safeway where he is accused of gunning down 20 people. but that breaking news now, that he was stopped that morning by a police officer for running a red light. we'll have more details for you as soon as we get them. you can imagine it's been a very emotional five days here in tucson and around the nation. the president will address a grieving nation tonight, he will be giving that speech right behind me. i'm told already 800 to 1,000 people have lined up on the other side of the mchale center, they want to be there as he pays tribute to some of the heroes. there are heroes who stood up to evil and they prevented more loss of life and i was privileged to have the opportunity to talk to some of these remarkable people. an art gallery worker, a retired army colonel, a local businessman, here they are in their own words. >> it was horrific, there was

injured people pretty much from me all the way up to the safeway, stretched out all the over the ground. >> the gunman didn't hesitate to continue firing rapidly. >> he was just standing there, just shooting one right after the other and i thought he shot about 18 to 20 times. but i knew i was next because he was shooting like this and i was standing right at the end of the line. and so everybody was hitting the ground including me. and so i turned to my left and went to go down. and i lowered my head about six inches and i felt this burning sensation in the back of my head. a burning sensation and a stinging sensation and i went right on to the ground. >> when the congresswoman was on the floor in her original position, she was in some danger of asphyxiation from swallowing her own blood.

so i made sure i put her in an upright position so she could breathe easier. i applied pressure to the one wound that we did to make sure we could stem the blood loss. >> when i got on him, the doctor and some other people began administering cpr. >> two gentlemen had knocked him down and secured him. and i was laying right next to him. he was right on top of my legs. somebody said get the gun so i jumped up and was now kneeling over him, he was secured with his right side against the sidewalk. i was not able to reach the gun, but i -- he was pulling a magazine out of his pants pocket with his left hand, and i was able to grab the magazine. those two men were my heroes because i believe they saved my life. i believe that i was next to be

shot. >> anyone in arizona really is that gabby is a fighter so there was no doubt in my mind that she would fight and she would pull through. >> every single one of them that i talk to rejects the title of hero, by believe me, their actions were heroic, daniel hernandez, stephen rayle, and bill badger, great folks. that will do it for me today. i'm chris jansing, the memorial service is tonight, the president and the first lady are leaving shortly for arizona. msnbc will bring the service to you live, 8:00 p.m. eastern time. but before then, contessa brewer. in moments we're expecting another live update from the hospital on congresswoman gab gabby -- we're taking a look at

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